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Posted By: niles
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Joined Date: Nov 25, 2012
Last week I received the 2nd pressing of Metamorphosis, The Hours by Lavinia Meijer which had a small treat to the frequency spectrum to reduce the issue I described with my cone speakers.
The adjustment did solve the problem for me of the build up around 300hz due to the sustaining notes of the harp together with the ambiance of the church.

Thank you Channel Classics.
Posted : Feb 4, 2013
Posted By: niles
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Joined Date: Nov 25, 2012
Thank you for the reply Jared.
I appreciate you seriously looked in to what the problem could be. It sounds plausible the ambiance of the church, the sound of the harp, the style of playing and my playback setup, all add up to the fact I’m missing some definition in the higher frequency spectrum.

Thanks again and I hope you’ll sell another 10.000 trouble free copies.
Posted : Nov 27, 2012
Posted By: Channel Classics
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Joined Date: Apr 19, 2012
In over 150 SACDs that I have released, I have honestly never mastered the cd layer different than the DSD hi res layer. Just direct down sampling from the DSD stereo file.
On analyzing this recording maybe it should.
The music arrangement of these piano pieces are such that most playing is done in the middle low registers. Especially the forceful plucking of the octave low strings overpowers the rest with such dynamics and overtones that it does shadow a bit of the middle high frequencies. That together with the ambience of the church do not help. Lavinia plays a good bit on the higher strings but only at certain moments.
I master on normal 2 way speakers but of course I listen to the DSD layer. I also go to the high end setup studio to check the multichannel layer.
I do listen to the pcm layer before going to the factory. At no time did I notice that this layer was going to be a problem for players around the world. On analyzing now I can imagine that certain frequencies could cause problems especially with cone speakers. As mentioned above it could possibly be that some systems just cannot handle this material.
As I am writing this, I am playing the video clip in te background. The audio track is taken directly from my master and even on my Imac, it sounds fine.

Actually recording in DSD makes the pcm layer that much better. I have been listening from my computer to my kitchen setup and other rooms and cannot hear what the problem is... I am happy to accept responsibility and remaster the pcm layer but as stated earlier, we have sold over 10,000 copies in Holland alone.
Posted : Nov 27, 2012
Posted By: niles
Total Posts: 4
Joined Date: Nov 25, 2012
Hello Andrew,

Thank you for your reply. I think it's great some people like to listen on very high end systems to hear music in its full effect on their high-end systems in a acoustically treated environment.
Though the problem is, I'm a regular consumer that enjoys listening to music in a non-acoustically treated living room and/or car on regular consumer equipment. Of course this playback equipment simply is Red Book compliant.

If this recording sounds amazing on high-end gear and sounds poor on consumer gear, doesn't that at least means the mastering of the material is strictly aimed at a specific group of Hi-Fi listeners?

When buying the Stereo 24bit/44k1 FLAC's I hoped the conversion by Channel Records, from DSD to FLAC would give me the definition I was missing when listening to the SACD on a regular CD player. I assumed most of the audio >1Khz was mixed a little more to the other channels in the 5.0 mix and my CD player wasn't able to reproduce those channels.
But when I check the spectral overview and/or frequency analysis of the FLAC files, I understand everything > 1khz is very soft in relation to the audio between 165hz & 315hz. So I hardly hear any definition in high region.
If this kind of recording is intended (which it seems), that's fine. I at least know this CD isn't my cup of tea due to the lack definition in the higher region.
Posted : Nov 27, 2012
Posted By: ANDREW TILLEY
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Joined Date: May 13, 2012
I am a big believer in DSD. From the moment I discovered it, I think there was only one site through which you could download a sample. The spread of downloadable music in DSD is growing rapidly and there are a few more direct DSD DACS around.

I have a Quad CDP2 which was considered to be quite good at about £1000. It is nothing compared to DSD or even PCM 24/192.

Go for the hi-res downloads and as high as you can or even DSD and get ready for the future.

You do need a good player for your computer that will play native DSD as well as PCM. If you have a Mac then Audirvana Plus is the one to go for. There are other hi-res players for Windows so do some research. Yu can always make a CD from your downloads but you cannot make better sounding files from a CD. DSD down-sampled to 24/96 direct from the Mac through headphones is far superior to CD which in fact is PCM 16/44.1.

Try not to read too many blogs as there is a lot of totally confusing information much of which is incorrect. Read the information provided by the professionals such as this site and you could also try DSD GUIDE which you can find through google.

We are at the beginning of s new era in music reproduction so be part of it and find out more.

Andrew

Posted : Nov 27, 2012

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